the course of that conversation, after a long discussion about constitutionalism, black man turns to moyers and says it is really the preamble that breathes life into the constitution. i wonder where it -- whether that is a point of view that you hold and whether you think it has relevance. >> the preamble, we, the people of the united states. i used to be able to quote it. i do not think i can now. the preamble is important. we, the people. but it is not the only thing. i had a very interesting conversation in china. i have gone there twice. the first time was a few years ago. i went to beijing and then we went to shanghai. in shanghai, whereas to meet with a group of businessmen. these businessmen had all been involved in the dot.coms and had lost a lot of money. most of them had made a lot back. i was fascinated. one of them said, i prefer the cultural revolution. then you knew the government was the enemy. now you are not sure. i said, you'll want to bring about a democratic system. after they say how much -- it is a very interesting point. i favorites. i have noticed that there are mil